Here I will write my column on politics on fed and provincial levels.

Since the last remaining nationwide conservative bastion of the National Post is slowly sinking, since Sir Conrad Black left this leftwing socialist godforsaken country last century, there will be a lot of challenges for the conservative philosophy in this country and I will try to sound my own account on this.





Edited by - Thor on 9/17/2003 3:15:44 PM

Атличная маза. Кагда первый выпускь?

скоро =)

I can't wait... Down with Liberals.



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Unfortunately the Liberals are going to win the provincial elections.

It's the way the veteran PCs will punish Eves for screwing up the Harris's Common Sense Revolution and paving way for the Liberals and incompetent McGuinty.

Обещаю воздерживаться и не подвергать твои "консервативные идеи" уничижительной критике:-)



Кстати, сколько даешь еще времени National Post? От них журналисты бегут как крысы... Вот недавно Кристи Блэтчфорд вернулась в Globe and Mail...

Of course, Eves was fully responsible for deregulating the electricity market, cutting down spending on education, health care, public health (including water treatment facilities in Walkerton), public transit, etc.:-) Harris was just in charge, but Eves is responsible:-)

ben,

That's diabolical -- of course! Deprive the private sphere of any money, keep it all in the governments' hands, controlled by those who think more government is the answer! Any better than dreaded Soviet Union propaganda or Nazi propaganda ? I don't think so.

Грусто с Постом... Раньше это была моя любимая газета, а теперь когда её звездой стала Rebecca Eckler газета стала неинтересной. Особенно обидно что Mark Steyn перестал писать, у него были великолепные колумны.

Thor.. like we discussed, I liked Harris.. but I don't know about Eves. On another hand I refuse to vote Liberal.. Refrain from voting? or still support Eves? Is he competent enough?



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Coon,

I don't know. Eves screwed up big time. McGuinty will get elected, it's a natural, he'll be a Bob Ray that got elected due to lack of decent candidates around at the time.

McGuinty will also be a fallback guy when things go wrong, when the teachers start striking and all. He ll be taken down. He's incompetent. Just got big heavies as friends in Ottawa.

Maybe the Liberals won't win yet. Accoding to the latest poll the size of their lead is shrinking and is now down to 5%. Considering the margin of error, their victory isn't set in stone.

OK.. Can you explain a little more in detail about Bob Ray? And how exactly did Eves fail? I didn't really follow him since he replaced Harris. One thing I like about Eves is he is dishing out a lot of money for events like the SARS concert, the blues fest in Toronto and in Windsor and he is supporting the tourism in Ontario. That is good for me considering the projects im working on right now. But unfortunatly I haven't really paid attention to his policy and his views or his style of governing.



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Eve.. one thing I know is that Eves' declaration of lowering the insurance rates and actually putting a cap in place can win him some popularity, because there are too many angry drivers out there who are paying thru the nose. This tactic won Mr Cretin the election when he lowered the price on cigarettes.



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Also, you can think of a different scenario. If (in the most likely scenario) McGuinty wins, Eves would be ousted as party leader, with Flaherty the likely successor. Flaherty (who was stupidly spurned by his party two years ago is Ontario's most prominent privatizer, free marketer and tax cutter. McGuinty once in power will soon find his platform impossible to implement successfully-the environment and the economy are likely to suffer, making McGuinty vulnerable to opposition pressure. If the opposition comes from the Flaherty Tories, the Ontario Liberals will lurch toward free market solutions, much as the federal Reform Party forced the Liberals to move rightward in the 1990s. And that will give Ontario's free-market Tories policies they want under McGuinty that they could never have had under Eves.

Racoon, both Liberals and Tories are promising to cap premiums.

Eve.. like I said, I didn't really follow politics for a while, so I'm not sure of what are they promising now. I liked the fact that Eves wants to forbid the teachers and essential services to strike.

Yeah. I like this one too.

When are we going to get someone young with balls to make the changes and instead of ammending old laws and creating new loopholes for creeps to operate maybe come up with new ones that will make sense. In some ways I admire Putin for this.



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Racoon,



it is actually funny, but I think probably natural for most common folks like yourself to choose politically what is likely to work well for their pockets:-)



If I thought this way, I would certainly support morons like Flaherty and other fascists from the provincial PC - what is good for Bay Street, good for Ontario:-( I will only get richer...



by the way, it is Bob Rae, not Ray... He is a former Premier (NDP) and a partner at Goodmans now...



Thor,



yeah, let's have competition in water treatment, electricity distribution, sewage... Let's make sure that millions of people do not have health insurance (like in most American states in the conservative South)

Ракун - на следущих выбарах галасуй за миня.

Ben - if I want socialism I will move to China. Bottom line is everyone chooses what speaks to them. The Cretin that is running our country is a goof and an embarasment to this nation. When Bay street prospers, like a chain reaction all the businesses prosper, give more jobs and a better return. We have been suffering the resession for what.. 3 years now? I work in the banking system I felt effect of that and still do.



Granted you shouldn't Privatize everything but it gets to a point where healthy competition will not do any harm. I don't know when was the last time you had to deal with the Gov't officials and these are the most pathetic assholes that exsist on this planet aside of the cab drivers. One thing I think should be outsourced to a 3rd party that is the Garbage collectors. I think that a private body will be able to do it faster, better and with higher efficiency.



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I personally like this from PC's platform:



"A Break For Homeowners



Owning their own home remains the ’Canadian dream’ for most

Ontarians, and a home mortgage is the largest debt most people

will ever have. Our historic mortgage interest tax deduction will help

more Ontarians realize their dreams and better handle their

mortgage expenses.



The deduction will be limited to the first $5,000 of mortgage

interest paid, so that this tax break will have its greatest impact

on moderate-income families. We will phase in the deduction over

five years. Once fully implemented, homeowners will be able

to deduct up to $5,000 in mortgage interest payments from their

incomes, resulting in provincial income tax savings of

up to $500 per year."

PatMunits: good point..



one more point is that theres always going to be free health care in Canada and only because that Canadians are taking too much pride in it over the USA.





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ER,



interesting, if you work in the banking sector you must know that, unlike the US, Canada has not had a recession (may be a few months, but not more).



Second, I deal with government officials at a fairly high level and with Bay street as well on a daily basis. Same number of smart people. Same number of assholes.



Third, mortgage deductibility is a complete nonsense at this point. It will be like a 100 bucks for homeowners, but a huge hole in the budget. If there is a deficit, and the province is running a growing hidden deficit, then we will have to pay for it eventually. Conservative economists will agree on that.



Besides, I want to pay 1200 a year to the government (instead of getting pathetic 100 a month) to ensure the quality of water, steady supply of electricity, and smoothly running public transit. I do not need this pathetic money - make the services I need work!

Ну все, блин, кто в банке работает или близко к адвокатуре - такие умники!

В Канаде рецессии не было?

А какого хрена ставки недавно были снижены?

А опасения дефляции в прессе?

А что творится с занятостью, или 8% безработицы - это не рецессия?

Я НЕ хочу платить 1200 в год и хочу иметь нормальный сервис.

И не хочу внимать человеку, который говорит о любви к котятам и собакам вне контекста.

Хватит совка!

Обращение к Тору и Принцу Тишины



Так как вы двое тут самые разбирающиеся в этом деле, помогите. Получил карточки, 2 Октября тянут выбирать. Обычно я не голосую, так как на избирательных билетах нету пунктика "Послать всех в задницу", они все одного навоза дети. Но тут недавно товарищь известил меня что если я не голосую, то мой билет, как бы получает та партия которая сейчас в силе. Так не честно, поэтому в этом году решил проголосовать. Проблема заключается в том что я не знаю за кого. Их предвыборную гонку где они друг другу грязью поливают, агитируют народ и обещают золотые горы я не смотрю.



Так что если можно, по русски, и так чтобы попонятливей тут, в танке было, обьясните, кто на горизонте вообще есть, какие партии, что они обещают ( вкратце, так как они все обещают много чего ) и что на ваш взгляд самое лучшее из всей этой фигни. Мои позиции таковы, я за то чтобы землю- крестьянам, бензин втрое уменшился, больше денег вкладывали в системы ambulance, police and fire departement, меньше воняли и больше делали. Всё.



Заранее спасибо.

ben.. когда ты думаешь будет такое что за $1200 в год тебе всё на тарелочке с золотой каёмочкой принесут.. даже спасибо не скажут.. про говермент офишиалс я говорю в большей степени на низких позициях, как например эти ублюдки, которые сидят в МинЗдраве где ОХИП получаешь .. такие гандоны, одни пакистанцы и черножепые, ленивые, по английски мало кто говорит.. никто ничего не знает, а бастовать любят.



Лообще что такое Юнион? Подонки Комунисты.



бен - я не буду насчет рессешона говорить потому что т-о беар уже сказал и причем правильно.. закрывают все глаза на факт того, что Харис предоставил кондиции и урезку в налогах малых бизнесов и дал хорошие льготы Американским компаниям, которые пооткрывали сдесь своих лавочек и заводиков..



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насчет учителей скажу так: 85% безмозглые бараны .. сдесь в 11ом классе учат квадратные уровнения и в 12ом тригонометрию.. я в Израеле учил тригонометрию в 8ом классе



учителя сдесь не обязанны иметь Бачелорз.. и работают по 4-4.5 часов в день и им оплачивают летние каникулы... Во всех нормальных странах учителя работают больше часов и им не оплачивают лето.. вот так.. суки зажрались.. правильно Харис на них охотился, но юнионы не дали

I am voting green party! They are transferring taxes from people to businesses, because the latter are heavy resouce users. I am starting to wonder why they call themselves green? My guess says that they drunk too much vodka and as the result no longer can think straight.



I am not against preserving environment. I am for it with both hands, but such silly platform will never get attention of any reasonable person. Do businesses consume the resources for themselves? They do create products that we all consume.

Are they suggesting to drive businesses out of province and

then they have nobody to tax?



Speaking of Tories they proved that they are not much further away. Private ownership will not improve efficiency and costs in huge, expensive and heavily regulated operations like hydro.

There is never going to be enough competition in this industry

as cost of entry is too high and point of any business is

generating profits for owners not public interest. Serving public interest comes only into play when it helps generating the profits. Okay, okay... they wanted to cut the cost to give everybody a

tax credit people can use to pay for higher cost of hydro. They

did not appreciate the fact that people want lower tax TOGETHER with their low price for hydro. They selected Eves as a leader. He might be a great guy in the world, but he does not impress me much when I see him on TV. He looks like a fox and lacks

charisma. These guys cannot think straight. Boot them out. They drunk too much scotch.



Who is left? Of couse pot smoking and gay LIberals. So what?

We had this stuff going on for a while and everybody accepted

this as part of our social order. They have not been involved into this provincial mess. They done reasonably well on federal level and

refusing to help province is throublesome times, clearly hinted boot PCs out and then we can all smoke pot and be happy.



à dieu













Edited by - jazz on 9/18/2003 8:08:37 AM

Поскольку ни один из кандидатов не вызывает у меня особого щенячьего восторга, буду выбирать из трёх зол меньшее.

Или доверюсь Его Величеству Случаю и буду подкидывать монету:

Если упадёт на орла или решку - голосую за PC.

Если на ребро - Liberal.

А если зависнет в воздухе - ...то тогда NDP.

В моих глазах лучше Ивз чем любой Либерал.. достаточно их на федеральном уровне, но я хочу сказать что всё таки за последний год Ивз не плохо справился с САРСом, Блекаутом и тд..



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согласем с Шалуном, все три - полнейшие распиздяи. в отличии от него, однако, голосовать вообще не буду. это просто цирк. вспомните Хариса. чувак сейчас член директории общества Магна. Никто не удивлен почему Магна стала одной из самых богатых компаний Канады. просто напросто гарантируют себе пенсионные. Ивс - не исключение. Вся эта херня с автомобильными страховками и хайдро - не просто так. Кто-то сделал на этом деньги и по истечении срока Орни (если он не будет переизбран) этот самый кто-то будет ему очень благодарен. Хотя оно всегда так и было, некоторые хоть что-то волокут в этом деле и что-то делают meanwhile, а Магенти вообще как с луны свалился. мне кажется ему все время на ухо шепчут че вообще говорить надо. Короче следите за спонсорами этих клоунов, и в зависимости кто выйграет, преобретайте сток тех компаний.

Horny Eves

I don't like paying interest on money that I have never spend. I don't want my children to pay interest on money that I would be forced to spend under a fiscally-irresponsible goverment.



From PC's platform:

"We will reduce the provincial debt by a further $5 billion over the next five years. We’ve already paid down the overall debt by $5 billion since the last election (twice as much as we had promised), saving Ontario taxpayers $791 million a year in interest payments."



$791M is a lot of roubles that can be spend on social programs.



Currently Ontario pays 8 Billion 550 Million Dollars each year in interest on loans accrued by previous provincial goverments. We also spend every year additional 550 Million Dollars to pay interest for Ontario Hydro debt. Combined, this means that each person who lives in Ontario, including newborn babies, spends $750 annually just to pay Credit Card interest acquired years ago.



PHUCK THAT! I don't want to pay someone else's credit card bills.



Edited by - PatMunits on 9/18/2003 9:18:56 AM

Actually, I went to my own PC party meeting in the Beaches area. Well, the mood was quite upbeat. Remember that two times in a row, PC came from behind to beat the Liberals. So it's not over until it's over. I wish Mike could run again, but oh well...

Yeah baby, I like this:



"$75 million to construct high-occupancyvehicle

lanes on portions of Highway 404

and Highway 403 and bus-bypass shoulders

on Highway 403;" (from PC's platform)



"$50 million for York Region’s Quick Start

program to develop rapid transit in four

heavily travelled corridors;"



"Start work immediately on the $200

million first phase of a bus rapid transit

system across the Greater Toronto Area;"

хотите больше денег на здравохранение, тогда попросите у Либералов в Оттаве:

For some reason i didnt get the voting notice as of yet. Did everyone else get it already?







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На тему за кого глосовать, мне вспомнился старый анекдот, как к раввину перед свадьбой пришла невеста советоваться какую комбинашку лучше надеть, розовую или голубую, после долгих разборок обалдебший раввин говорит, девушка, хоть розовую, хоть голубую, вас так и так выебут;) (сорри, из песни слов не выкинешь)

Пат: васап: где можно достать брейкдаун за что платит муниц., пров. и федеральный говермент. Я вообще не помню когда федералы последний раз потратили копейку в Онтарио, кроме "помощи" после САРСа.



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Edited by - Evil Raccoon on 9/18/2003 9:37:11 AM

для многих обывателей обсуждение вопросов политики, участие в выборах и вся это мутотень- что-то вроде игры самолюбия, в первую очередь помогающей им почувствовать свою мнимую значимость.











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Romka, честно говоря я не знаю где можно найти кто за что платит. Те цифры которые использовал, я взял на Stats Canada, МинФин Онтарио, и PC's party websites.

Pat:



$75 million to construct high-occupancyvehicle

lanes on portions of Highway 404

and Highway 403 and bus-bypass shoulders

on Highway 403;" (from PC's platform)



most likely won't fly. they will be constructing a new ramp from 404 north to 401 west (core). the idea is to have an HOV lane from 16th Avenue to 401. the new N-W ramp will also become an HOV ramp. no HOV lanes are even thought of for Highway 401 at this point. DVP most likely won't have them either, although they're trying to figure something out (City of Toronto). having an HOV lane on 404 between 16th and 401 is a dumb idea if you ask me, unless it becomes a part of a larger HOV network in the future, which I don't foresee. hwy 403 may work though.



"$50 million for York Region’s Quick Start

program to develop rapid transit in four

heavily travelled corridors;"



good idea, and both the Region and the province are really getting into it. Highway 7 corridor is going to become one of the rapid transit corridors in the region.



"Start work immediately on the $200

million first phase of a bus rapid transit

system across the Greater Toronto Area;



watch for a new system along Yonge Street in the near future. They are currently proposing separating transit traffic from the rest of traffic by providing transit lanes...in the middle of the road.

- W -, может быть, но я своими глазами по телеку видел как в одной не очень далёкой от нас стране, выбрали одного мудака своим правителем. Причём всё решило каких пару сотен голосов в одном небольшом округе.



С тех пор выборы мне стали небезразличны. Я не люблю когда мне говорят что я сам выбрал такое правительство если я его не выбирал.



Кстати, если помните, в Америке за Гора по всей стране проголосовали 543895 человек больше чем за Буша.

Патрик, а к власти все равно пришел Буш....

так что все ровно будет как сказал старый раввин

Прааально, питачок, прааально;)

mrs.. it nice to have a choice of who will fuck you



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pitachok,



most likely won't fly. they will be constructing a new ramp from 404 north to 401 west (core). the idea is to have an HOV lane from 16th Avenue to 401. the new N-W ramp will also become an HOV ramp. no HOV lanes are even thought of for Highway 401 at this point. DVP most likely won't have them either, although they're trying to figure something out (City of Toronto). having an HOV lane on 404 between 16th and 401 is a dumb idea if you ask me, unless it becomes a part of a larger HOV network in the future, which I don't foresee. hwy 403 may work though.



OK, I'm a bit selfish here. I commute every morning on 404 from Aurora to Sheppard, and occasionally all the way to Gardiner. I have seen HOV lanes in action in Minneapolis, I say that they really do work.



404 is a freaking parking lot now. In the summer it was nice, but starting September 8 it became just plain awful. 404 will be extended to Simcoe and further East. York Region is growing by leaps and bounds. There's an immediate need for a solution.



I think I just read last weekend in the Star that York Region has already commited $150M for expanded transit system. Provincial goverment plans to add another $50M. I like it.



There's a ton of construction would have to be done on Yonge street in downtown Aurora and downtown Richmond Hill if they want to add transit lanes. Yonge street is just not wide enough in those places to support two more lanes.

Ракун, ха-ха-ха!

People, HOV lanes are not really an issue in this election. No matter which government we have they will have to do something about it.



It is all about higher level approaches to the issues. It looks like all partyies are promising something without any clue about effects of their actions and costs.



Pat you have to pay for all debts. The debts were incured to pay for the infrastructure you use now. It is like with mortages. If you want house and do not have enough cash to buy it outright, you take a mortage and pay it off later. If you do not want to have a mortage you cannot have a house.

What I would like to see is Public Transit improved overall. Pat, you know that in NYC people do not need a car same as in Moscow. while you are in the core it is easier to take the subway. The security issues is a different story, but Guilianni has done a fantastic job over there cleaning out that armpit.



The Sheppard addition has been a significan jolt to nearby businesses especially the 2 malls on the way and naturally the real estate went up 10-15% just because of the accessebility.



The concern of York region is that nowadays because it becomes more and more expencive to live in Toronto, people are moving outside the city limits, but not all have cars. So your choice is either Go train or York Public Transit which remind me of Mad Maxx movie.



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We need subway line extended to Square One in Mississauga

Pat,



it is not going to get any better, that's for sure. the need for additional capacity is at 401/dvp. DVP cannot be widened any further. there you have it: 2 lanes from 404, 2 lanes from 401 into 3 lanes on the DVP..something gotta give....BTW, 404 through Sheppard (SB) will be similar to what they have right now for the northbound direction - a short core-collector system from north of Sheppard to Highway 401. But these are just peanuts.



Yonge Street in...North York



'Coon, без разницы кто, главное быть готовым чтобы хоть как-то уменьшить боль.

jazz - that would be a good start.. when I worked downtown Bloor and Bay It took me 15 minutes to get on a train because of all the people there, then coming to my beloved North York in a shrimp can with all kind of diverse people crammed inside this metal shitbox that is driving you 50 m/h into the dark oblivion ..



that is why my interpertation of TTC is Take The Car.. riding the rocket leaves you with nothing but bad experience each time you need to use it. I wish I could use it more, but frankly, I try to avoid it.



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Edited by - Evil Raccoon on 9/18/2003 10:40:40 AM

Raccoon, good points about public transit. it sucks a big one. by the sound of it, they're trying to do something about it. we'll see.

pitachok: Это же им самим выгодно.. бабки то они гребут себе..



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I'm not talking about increasing DVP capacity, that's too costly.



There are actually 2 lanes coming from 401 Westbound (1 express, 1 collector), 2 lanes from 401 Eastbound (1 express, 1 collector), and 3 lanes from 404. That's 7 lanes that eventually have to merge into 3 DVP lanes.



However, we do need an expanded pipeline from York Region to GTA Transit System. To take a subway, you first have to get to that Subway. The only cost-effective and efficient way to get to Yonge or Sheppard subway lines from North Richmond Hill, Oak Ridges, Aurora, Newmarket and other small places is to drive your own car down 404, Leslie, Bayview or Woodbine to Faiview or to Finch Station.



When I was a student I was always amazed taking every morning a virtually empty GTA Buses from Finch Station. They don't need so many buses on some of the routes, they're not being used. And they still want more money? Screw them, build more subway lines instead. I used to live in NYC, I'm familiar with their public transportation. It works, and works well. But they also have a huge subway system http://de.geocities.com/metroplanet_nyc/nyc-map.htm



What do Liberals propose? They want to create another goverment institution to oversee GTA transportation system:



"We will bring a region-wide approach to identifying and meeting GTA transit needs by creating the Greater Toronto Transportation Authority (GTTA).



The new GTTA will be given the clout and resources to tackle gridlock and ensure free movement of people and goods in a rapidly growing region.



The GTTA will be given the mandate to repair the damage from years of neglect by the Harris-Eves government: more GO trains on existing lines, expanded GO parking, new vehicles for the TTC and the removal of highway bottlenecks.



An immediate priority for the GTTA will be to establish within 18 months a seamless, integrated ticket system that will allow users to move easily across the region using a single ticket."



Yeah, sounds similar to PC's, but I like a bit more concrete plan of action (at least PC say what they have already planned). Not something along the lines: "Well, will make another office. Those dudes will spend 3 months buying office equipment, 6 months teaching staff, 5 months learning from other municipalities, 18 months fighting with unions for new contracts, and then they will decide what's better for GTA and suburbs."

I will respond after I get home.

Right.. create A new entity that will be fully controlled by Liberals and just hire more paperpushers.. waste of money. Like I said, this sector should be privatized, but smartly.



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A long time ago, a champion of intellectual thought, namely Thomas Jefferson said it right:" The best government is the one that governs the least." Cut and dry, ladies and gentlemen. What else can you add to the aforementioned statement? Yes, nothing. Thank you very much.

I am sure, Prince of Silence, you would want to live in the United States of the Jeffersonian times - when the government indeed governed a million times less than now. What a wonderful life they had - the US society shown in "Gangs of New York" is very respectable if compared it to the Jeffersonian times and/or other areas of the US where there was even less government. No doubt you would have been much happier in those brutal amd primitive times than in today's over-regulated society:-)

тор, ты мне лучше скажи, партия анашистов будет на октябрьских выборах баллотироваться? а то там одни мудозвоны...



и, кстати, господа дискутёры, вы, ради Бога, не обижайтесь, но ваш диспут иногда напиминает классическое стихотворение генриха гейне...



http://evduluman.narod.ru/Heine_02.htm



Edited by - kotovski on 9/18/2003 5:28:48 PM

Так, короче. За кого голосовать?

о, кажись партия зеленых будет выдвигаться. так что, раз уж анашисты не выдвигаются, буду за зеленых голосовать, один хрен.

www.cbc.ca/storyview/MSN/2003/09/19/clarkson030919



why do we need this bitch?



--

Romka, NPSEntertainment

Всё ясно, пиздунов тут собралось, не меньше чем в правительстве.

Северный, за кого, за кого,

за Прогрессив Консёрвативз ессна...

or Canadian Alliance on a federal level.

kotovski,

если будешь голосовать за зелёных то просто голос потеряешь.

на самом деле серьёзные игроки на фед. и пров. уровнях исторически Ториз и Либералз. Ну НДП.

Канадский Альянс ещё не разу не выиграл пров. выборов, но Реформ партия, преобразовавшаяся в Альянс уже серьёзный участник и борец за власть на национальном уровне.

как раз вся проблема в том, что многие левые, которые не разделяют политику коррумпированных либералов, отдают им свой голос из-за того, что либералы мимикрируют под левых.

жаль. ндп для них слишком радикально, и естественно для левые редко находят резон голосовать за Ториз.



Ториз на самом деле сами деляцца на консёрватив и красных. Рэд Ториз схожи с модерат либералами.



Сейчас происходят интересные движения в лагерях двух правых партий КА и ПК. Может быть наконец-таки найдут консенсус и объединяцца ??? Ведь ГОП в штатах включает в себя разные направления правых, from libertarion to right wing.

Северный,



Мои позиции таковы, я за то чтобы землю- крестьянам, бензин втрое уменшился, больше денег вкладывали в системы ambulance, police and fire departement



это как раз что Ernie Eves и обещает.



1,000 more police on our streets, drunk drivers off the road(there goes the russian vote =) lol ), highways and transits we need, stop abuse of welfare, ohip and legal aid, strong consumer protection laws.

Thor, кстати Харис очень класно Велфер придушил.. сделал по модулю Американского Воркфера.. хочешь получать бабки? иди работай, хочешь или не хочешь



плюс мне нравится что Ивз хочет Учителей на место поставить - то что Харис не смог добится..



а Макинти, бля, ай донт траст хим.. и вообще, Долой Либералов, френч бастардз (фед - Кретиен, Мартинз)...

если будешь голосовать за зелёных то просто голос потеряешь.





херн знает, сложная это штука -- голосование. во всяком случае, лучше, чем "против всех". когда в канаде сделают наконец-то proportional representation, то это не будет потерей голоса -- какую-то часть зеленых выберут в сенат, а они там ой как нужны.



кстати, идею о proportional representation поддерживают альянс, ндп, и провинциальные либералы. федеральным-то либералам это нафиг не нужно, потому что мешает вертеть на хрену всю канадскую политику как захочет левая нога кретьена. надеюсь, что proportional representation не за горами, а то блин феодализм какой-то.



да, так вот, может, я и теряю голос, зато идейно теряю. выберут-то все равно либералов.

кстати, идею о proportional representation поддерживают альянс, ндп, и провинциальные либералы.

100%



федеральным-то либералам это нафиг не нужно, потому что мешает вертеть на хрену всю канадскую политику как захочет левая нога кретьена. надеюсь, что proportional representation не за горами, а то блин феодализм какой-то.



стопудово, если проп. репр-шЫн станет реальностью то либералов быстренько попрут из Оттавы.



выберут-то все равно либералов.

вот такое мышление и позволяет либералам избирацца из-за того что их противники не голосуют...

http://www.canada.com/national/story.asp?id=6F7C11A9-1601-4BFC-BE5B-78BDDAD0A5F1



United right eyes Harris for leader

Alliance, Tories near deal to create new party



Sean Gordon



The Ottawa Citizen





Friday, September 26, 2003



CREDIT: Ted Rhodes, CanWest News Service (Calgary Herald)



Mike Harris last night addressed speculation that he would pursue the leadership of a united right. Speaking in Banff, he said: "I don't think we should be getting ahead of ourselves but I for one would be prepared to make a contribution and then we'll have to see where it goes."



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Emissaries from the Canadian Alliance and Progressive Conservatives have reached an agreement in principle to found a new party, and it now appears a movement is afoot to install former Ontario premier Mike Harris as leader.



Organizers from the federal and Ontario Conservative parties confirmed that Harris supporters have been quietly laying the groundwork for a run at leading a united right once a deal is reached to dissolve the Alliance and Tories and found a new party.



And that agreement may now be at hand. In Ottawa, Alliance leader Stephen Harper said he expects to receive a compromise proposal from his representatives and the Tory emissaries "before the end of the week."



"My understanding is there is an agreement in principle, it's a matter of our representatives coming to finalizing that effort," he said. "I'll make a decision shortly after I get the final conclusions of the discussions ... to get an agreement both sides eventually have to make their decisions to sign off, and I don't know what the Tory timeline is on that."



Conservative leader Peter MacKay struck a far less strident tone than on Wednesday, when he blasted the Alliance for purportedly leaking details of the negotiations to the press



"I can tell you the emissaries are doing great work ... I'm confident in the emissary process, I'm confident in the people I have representing me at that table, and we're going to take a very strong and serious look at this," he said.



Mr. Harper doesn't anticipate any further talks, and suggested a meeting scheduled for next week between the emissaries -- former federal finance minister Don Mazankowski, ex-Ontario premier Bill Davis, and Conservative MP Loyola Hearn for the Tories, ex-Reform MP Ray Speaker, Senator Gerry St-Germain and MP Scott Reid for the Alliance -- will simply formalize the agreement.



"I don't think the public wants an endless soap opera, there's been some good discussions over the three months, I think most of the issues have been thoroughly addressed," he said.



Mr. Harper said. "It's time for the parties to make their positions known and take their decisions," Mr. Harper said.



If the two parties are able to reach an agreement, it will first be presented to their respective caucuses, then submitted to the general membership.



Mr. Harper said it would then take three or four weeks "to get some details out to them and get some mechanism whereby they can send back their support or opposition".



It's then hoped a new leader could be in place either late this year or early in 2004.



But before any of that happens, Mr. MacKay has to get his caucus on side.



"Are people nervous about it? Are they concerned? By all means, this is their livelihood ... clearly I'm going to need caucus support for this. And so this is a (multi-tier) process that's got to be in place before we're going to be able to proceed," Mr. MacKay said.



While both leaders are preoccupied with stickhandling a deal, the buzz surrounding a Harris candidacy is intensifying.



The former Ontario premier was in Ottawa on Wednesday night, and, after

McGuinty promises gas tax, but won't say when

Premier Dalton McGuinty says it is a matter of when, not if, Toronto will receive the gas tax revenues he promised to the city to help fund public transit. But he could not say whether they will be included in his government's first budget.



Dana Borcea

National Post



http://www.nationalpost.com/national/story.html?id=BE4F6835-B1F1-44AE-B923-937E3DBAAD2D



Saturday, November 01, 2003



Premier Dalton McGuinty says it is a matter of when, not if, Toronto will receive the gas tax revenues he promised to the city to help fund public transit. But he could not say whether they will be included in his government's first budget.



"We're going to deliver on all of our commitments; that's what we ran on. But we're going to slow down on some of those," Mr. McGuinty said yesterday during an interview on 680 News.



When pressed to respond to whether Toronto mayoral candidates could count on funds from the gas tax, Mr. McGuinty said he could not yet predict the details of his government's budget.



"I'm not going to draft my first budget -- that we're going to put out in March -- today, right now over the telephone," Mr. McGuinty said.



Throughout his election campaign, Mr. McGuinty pledged to allocate 2¢ a litre of the existing provincial gas tax to public transit.



But on Wednesday, the Premier announced his government had inherited a $5.6-billion deficit from the previous Tory government. He said as a result, he would be forced to postpone or renege on some of his election promises, resulting in a decision to end Hydro price caps despite a pledge to maintain a price freeze on electricity rates.



During yesterday's radio interview, Mr. McGuinty did promise to campaign on behalf of Toronto for federal funds.



"I'll be working as hard as I can to get the federal government to recognize that municipalities, cities and Toronto in particular is where it's at and we've got to work together to strengthen things like public transit here."



He added he had instructed Greg Sorbara, the new Minister of Finance, on the need to balance the budget while delivering on the government's commitments when drafting the Liberal's first provincial budget.



Mayoral candidate David Miller said yesterday despite the government's inability to commit to a time line on delivering the provincial gas tax, he would not consider implementing highway tolls to help fund Toronto's public transit if elected mayor.



"With the McGuinty government on their transit funding commitment, it's a question of when and how much, not if, and so I'm not considering other options," Mr. Miller said yesterday, insisting road tolls were not part of his election platform.



Mr. Miller said if the allocation of the gas tax is delayed, he will lead "an alliance of mayors" from across the province facing similar transit challenges, to try to convince the province to deliver on its promise."



John Tory, who according to the latest poll is running a close second to Mr. Miller in the mayoral race, agreed the government's delivery of the gas tax was likely only a matter of timing, but said it helped to highlight the vulnerability of Toronto's public transit.



Yesterday, Mr. Tory reiterated his commitment to rein in public spending and said the news made him want to revisit his idea of securing private funds for Toronto's public transit system.



A spokeswoman for Mr. Sorbara said the Minister of Finance could not predict when and how much of the gasoline tax will be delivered to Ontario cities, but said the government will eventually come through on its promises.



"This government will follow through with the commitment made during the campaign to share a portion of the gaso

Ontario Liberal leader Dalton McGuinty's decision to hike electricity rates to tackle a $5.6-billion deficit will send a chill through homeowners, who could face monthly bills 15% higher than what they currently pay, industry watchers say.



http://www.nationalpost.com/national/story.html?id=FE51B41A-6CE7-45E7-83EC-04BAC17AD5FA



Ontario Liberal leader Dalton McGuinty's decision to hike electricity rates to tackle a $5.6-billion deficit will send a chill through homeowners, who could face monthly bills 15% higher than what they currently pay, industry watchers say.



Still, those experts, pundits and lobby groups say simply putting a higher cap on the cost of hydro will not address significant problems with Ontario's electricity system.



"Ontario is very close to suffering another blackout and one of the first and most important steps in securing the reliability of the electricity system is ensuring consumers pay the real cost," said Tom Adams, executive director of Energy Probe, a pro-conservation think-tank.



On Thursday, Mr. McGuinty said Dwight Duncan, the Minister of Energy, has 30 days to decide on cost-saving measures before recommending a higher, fixed price for electricity to replace the current rate of 4.3¢ per kilowatt hour set last year by the Progressive Conservative government.



The Premier said he wants a price that better reflects the real costs of electricity.



Mr. Adams estimated the average increase in monthly bills at 15% or more when the Liberal debt-cutting plan is announced.



"It's substantial," he said. "We should be looking at significantly higher electricity prices."



About 10% of that estimate is based on fee hikes linked to Ontario's energy infrastructure, including any additional costs stemming from an investigation into the August power failure that left Ontario and a large swath of the northeastern United States in the dark.



The additional fee hikes will come from the other side of the electricity bill, which is based on the amount of power people consume. But Mr. Adams said it is difficult to forecast how big an increase the government might institute because its energy policies included in the recent Oct. 2 election platform are not specific.



"Given the lack of clarity in terms of their policy thinking, it's impossible to guesstimate what it might be," Mr. Adams said, adding there are dozens of formulations the government could use to increase the price. "The one-word answer is 'up.' "



David Burgess, professor of economics at the University of Western Ontario, believes the Liberals will likely work out a formula by which the rate hike will cover the $700-million deficit caused by the current price-cap.



"It will be the same thing [as the current 4.3¢-per-kilowatt-hour rate] but at a higher level, so the deficit will be less," Prof. Burgess said. "I don't have a lot of sympathy for repegging the rate."



He acknowledged, however, that it would be the most politically astute thing for the newly sworn-in government to do.



Moving to a market rate, under which the consumer would pay full price for the power, would raise bills by about 25%, by some estimates. The raw hydro price would be in the neighbourhood of 6¢ per kilowatt hour.



Prof. Burgess said no one having to pay that kind of price is likely to welcome it.



Deborah Doncaster, executive director of the Ontario Sustainable Energy Association, was also pleased at the possibility of a move closer to the market rate. She wants to see an even higher rate so renewable resources such as wind or solar power, which cost more than hydroelectricity or coal energy sources, can compete at comparable cost.



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Well, well, well

there go a few election promises good old Dalton gave us =)))

no tax hikes I heard ? A change ?



You get what you deserve ppl of Ontario...

Thor: поехали в Альберту жить

Меня с собой возмёте?

давай.. заказываю сизон тикетс на Ойлерз

Странно, что Тор и Енот не вспоминают о том, что нам консерваторы законодательно гарантировали жизнь без дефицита. А оказалось больше 5 миллиардом долларов дефицита. Вот такое лицемерие... Конечно, надо повышать налоги на богатых.

Coon, hell yeah, I'm considering it. Though too used to tee dot..



ben,

а как же дефицит бюджета в более 100 миллиардов кдн $ после двух премьеров от НДП и Либ ? где лицемерие ?

или о 2 новых налогах, посредством которых Долтон хочет найти денег для пров. казны ? ведь обещал, I will not raise taxes.

Yeah, right. Famous Liberal lie ~ taxes will stay the same.

well.. 2 days to tax hike..



Too bad Lastman couldn't fulfill his dream: separating Toronto from Ontario..

It’s the first true sign of what awaits voters from the newly elected Liberal government. And when Dalton McGuinty’s team unveils its first Throne Speech on Thursday, smokers will be unhappy, workers will smile, and parents will be watching.



Among the items expected to be announced: a hiking of tobacco taxes. The government is looking to compensate for a $5.6 billion deficit, and the sin taxes are the easiest target. A carton of cigarettes could go up as much as $15, to $75.



But while smokes go up, so will the minimum wage. It’s believed the government will increase the amount those who make the least will find in their pay envelopes. Ironically, the move was one of the main platforms in the N.D.P. election campaign – and they’re not even an official party any more.



And the Grits are also expected to let parents and teachers know what formula they’ll use to cap class sizes. Premier Dalton McGuinty made it clear education was the main priority in the election, and he vowed to cut the number of students in junior kindergarten to Grade 3 to just 20. But that would mean hiring more teachers – something the government likely can’t afford.



“You're going to hear a different Throne Speech,” promises McGuinty. “It is not one that is the embodiment of flowery rhetoric. It's going to be grounded in our fiscal reality.” Critics contend that’s political speak for another round of promise breaking.

Sorry, but you have to pay for your self-destructive pleasures.



by the way, Racoon, didn't you complain about your auto-insurance hikes? believe me, my friend, insurance companies will be charging enormous premiums for what you called "smokers insurance". because the likelihood of lung and throat cancer is extremely high.



anyway, I promise to donate money for your funeral.

ben - Dont hold your breath



ben, I think that you have been brainwashed by the Canadian socializm really badly. I hope one day you will wake up and smell the dirty laundry, because this is ruining the country and the province. FYI - more than 80% of cigarette costs already is diverted into Health care system. So In a way we smoke for Health of millions of Ontarians.

Of corse I complained about auto insurance, but because of people like you the government is fucking us up the ass and you are just begging for more, because you always see the upside.

We are taxed up to the wazoo already and Daltonik is going to implement more taxes. I am tired of this.

er,



why are you staying here then? move south, to a sunny state of Texas, where everyone is like you (although oral sex is still illegal):-)

Беня - а ты мне американскую гринкарту дай взамен канацкого паспорта плз.

ben: like I indicated before, I can make a lot more money living in States, I just don't want to live down there, plus have too much shit that I do here for me to just move.



And this is the problem: our best doctors leave to work in US, because they get paid much more, same in other professions. You can not try to get rid of everyone that is not naively and blindly believes in this Commie Krap.

well, if you do not want to move, then we will keep increasing your taxes my friend until you have to go...



There are just too many of us here who like what you call "Commie Krap" and who hate conservative morons:-)



PS: by the way, I can tell you my friend that there is a huge flood back of lawyers who were leaving a few years ago. My firm receives dozens of applications every day from people trying to return. Of course, the market for other professionals is different. But most Canadians who leave come back pretty soon or later in life.

"There are just too many of us here who like what you call "Commie Krap" "



В этом и проблема.

ben: with all due respect- you are either really smart and evade all taxes or really stupid to believe all the stuff you are saying, or you might be crazy. (no offence intended)



You will be raising my taxes untill I leave? What about you? You will be paying more taxes too. Doesn't it bother you that you are being ripped off and raped day in and day out by the government that is dishing out the money left, right and center. What about that Lt Governor or smtn that spent 90 million dollars on taking some 80 people to Russia and Scandinavia on a "promotion tour" doen't it bother you?



and why do we need a promotion for Canada, if they decline most applications? I know so many people that tried to come here for a visit and their visas are declined... Waste of of m..f..n money.



--

Romka, NPSEntertainment

Сустанон : thank you, thats very true.

Governments are actually not spending enough. We ourselves have constantly to contribute money to a variety of causes - arts, health research, homeless, handicapped, etc.



Racoon, how much did you contribute to charities last year or this year? Or you spent it all on yourself?



The difference between us is that I care about things other than my pockets. Even in Canada there are tons of people who cannot have a decent life for a variety of reasons.



Promotions trip was addressed to the Russians. So that Russians could do more business with Canada, and vice versa. It does not mean that it was just for tourism. Unfortunately, too many people are coming to Canada and stay illegally. So visas have to be refused.

"Even in Canada there are tons of people who cannot have a decent life for a variety of reasons."

Единственная "уважительная" причина - болезнь.

Все остальное - банальная лень и тунеядство.

Развели тут богадельню понимаешь.



Все коммунистические страны всегда сидели сидят и будут сидеть в говне.

А в Канаде дурдом - коммунизм для лентяев за счет работающих людей. Но увы. Коммунизм развращает. Желающих работать все меньше - половину денег приходится отгружать, плюс 15% налог на продажу (Онтарио). Тунеядцев все больше. Это бля дорога в никуда.



Таланты удирают в Штаты. А хули их винить? Где больше бабок? Когда канадский клуб выиграл Стэнли Кап в последний раз?

Бля если-б Джэймс Гослинг сидел бы в Канаде - хто бы про Джаву вообще слышал?



Да, еще есть солидная "база" созданная трудолюбивыми ВАСПами, (в меньшей мере - французами) и людьми разделившими их мировоззрение (те же украинцы завезенные сюда 100 лет назад и пр). Но увы. Эта "база" размывается с огромной скоростью.



И все эти "добряки" типа Бени - вкладывают в это "размывание" огромные усилия.

Сус,



волейдол?

псевдоним - ты ошиблась топиком :)

"я спокоен, я совершенно спокоен" гыгыгыгыг.



ЗЫ - "валидол" ваще-то.